Nick Offerman on why he finds solace in the outdoors

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Nick Offerman’s new book is an appreciation of the outdoors. It includes sections on hiking Glacier National Park in Montana.





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Nick Offerman and NPR’s Scott Simon visit New York City’s Central Park. «I feel a hell of a lot better after I walk in the woods,» Offerman says.





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On what he sees in an individual tree

I don’t know. For me, it’s part of my, I guess my therapy and my creative process is I generally don’t focus in on things. I more [often] wander. There’s a bit in the book about it where George Saunders and Jeff Tweedy and I … hit the trail and what we talk about is the very solace you’re asking about.

When we step into nature is it nature’s chaos that gives us a respite from the rectilinear lines of human construction? Or is it nature that has the soothing patterns of construction? Is it her organic architecture that actually is medicinal to act as a salve to the chaos of human construction? Either way, I just know that I feel a hell of a lot better after I walk in the woods.





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Jeff Tweedy, Nick Offerman and George Saunders at Glacier National Park.





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Jeff Tweedy, Nick Offerman and George Saunders at Glacier National Park.


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On how diversity in nature relates to human diversity

We as humans will always be fallible. That’s always my opener. And with that in mind, looking at the history of just our country, it’s so easy to see the amazing things we’ve accomplished. And it’s also so easy to see the mistakes that we’ve made. And so that’s my hope is to open our minds to that fallibility that then allows us to own those behaviors and say, «OK, so we did this poorly. We did this bad. How can we do it better?»

Because we’ll never be done evolving our civilization. Our beautiful American experiment that ostensibly on paper is designed to make an equal amount of happiness and justice for every citizen has a long way to go. So in order to achieve that, which I think is absolutely what our goal should be, we have to keep our eyes and ears and hearts open to that diversity of nature.

On how to experience nature while living in a city

A lot of our municipalities do a wonderful job of providing green spaces. That’s part of what I’m trying to encourage in my readership is to find where you can be delighted. If you’re in a city or a suburb, if you have trouble finding park land or public green space, the wonderful thing about nature is that it literally works every place.

And so if you have a windowsill, you can grow any number of plants. You can grow herbs or tomatoes or garlic. I encourage people — something that’s really fun is to plant different deciduous trees or conifers. I’m a deciduous man myself, but you can plant trees on your windowsill and grow them until they’re big enough to take them somewhere and transplant. …

I love cities and I love nature. I would rather not be limited to one or the other. Part of the reason we have to always remain open to our fallibility is because … Mother Nature has something else in mind for the pack of molecules that’s standing here in these brown boots right now.

Danny Hensel and D. Parvaz produced and edited the audio interview. James Doubek produced for the web.